175. Unmasking Porn: The Hidden Impact on Men and Relationships

This episode features a candid and in-depth conversation on the complex issues surrounding pornography, its impact on relationships, and the psychological and spiritual dimensions involved. Experts share personal stories, insights on addiction, shame, and the cultural shifts influencing young men today. This in-depth conversation explores the complex issues surrounding pornography, AI relationships, societal impacts, and strategies for overcoming addiction. Experts share insights on spiritual, psychological, and technological challenges, emphasizing authenticity, purpose, and integrity.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

How do you learn who you really are? It's not found in books. It's found on the battlefield. All right. What's up, Warriors?

SPEAKER_03 0:11

Hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Alright, I'm hanging out with my baby today. So if you guys are like, all right, I like when you guys do the the Rick and Andrea combination. We're gonna do a Rick Andrea combo today.

SPEAKER_01 0:21

Yeah, it's been a long time.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

It has been a long time. Well, we talk every day, but being able to like record it, we don't do it very often. Right.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

All right, babe. You're the interviewer.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Oh, well, I have one question in mind. And then other than that, I think Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Just like an interviewer.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Yeah, exactly. Um, no pressure, but um, I don't feel like I'm a very good interview interviewer. But anyway, um, I did have a question to you because I I already know the answer, but I I think it's important to share. Um, because people see you on social media, they see clips, and um but I don't think people really understand what it is that you do, right? You have men's groups, you um train men pretty much six out of seven days a week. There's a lot that happens behind the scenes. Um but my question to you is I would love for you to be able to share what is your purpose? Why do you do what you do? And how did you get here? That's that's what I want to know.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

All right, so I love you.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

I want you to share.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah, I love you, but you just did one of the things that is not my favorite, and you you very rarely see me do it, which is tell us your story. Which people love to hear the story, but I I very rarely tell my story.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

You don't, that's why I'm asking the question.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I I really don't. So just so you guys know, um, yes, there's a lot that I do. Uh, and what I do is way bigger than the podcast. The podcast is a hobby that we do. Uh, it's a fun way to connect with new people, hear different ideas, and share some things. But what I do is we have a huge men's organization. Uh, I run the Warriors Way mindset, which is a conglomerate of also other organizations, too. We all just get together to make sure we can help people out. You now have the women's side.

SPEAKER_03 2:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Um, we've got the relationship group that we teach.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Uh, we've got the uh the men's side is where I spend most of my time. We also team up with other uh leaders like J.R. Harvey from the Kings community. He has a large men's organization. Um, Chris Miller with the uh the Forge Works, which is the Dad I Wish I Had program. Um we've got a lot of guys who work internally with us with different programs too. We help a lot of people. And I primarily would say I work from the grief to growth element of the psychology world. And I would technically be considered a psychologist because I study and write and create tools for human behavior. I've got multiple books coming out. I've already published one, and now we've got other books coming out on behavior and what has worked. So we do really deep work psychology. With that, it also goes much deeper because we make sure we balance out all of our leaders to have good mind, heart, body, spirit, and for our guys, we also work on finances and making sure all the elements of safety and security are there for their families. It's a lot of work.

SPEAKER_03 3:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

But that means we also do get into emotion and heart side and help heal our hearts. We get into the body side. We have workouts, we have uh diet options, we have health options with like Dr. Julia, Scott Siegel. We have people who help out to make sure that people are healthy, and then we also work spirit side. And this means not getting into religion or you know, some sort of uh convert, but relationship with God and not a religion to God. So we worship um actual creator and not worship necessarily books or ideology.

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

This is really how people find themselves, and so that's what we do. And quite frankly, I remember one of the things that was happening when we were on this journey, and I started to uh we started well, we started getting exposure. Like we we went viral and blew up, and I had to also face like why do you want to be known at all? Because people want to be famous. They may not know why they want to be famous, but most people would say they want to be famous, whether be known or get attention or uh popularity or belonging or uh money or power, there's some reason people want fame. I did not want fame, like I didn't want that, but I did find through all the things I were doing the reason why I wanted to have any notoriety was so I didn't have to answer this question that we're doing right now over and over again.

SPEAKER_03 4:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Because how do I explain all of these things I do? That's just the smallest pieces of like these are the main elements, but it goes so much deeper to explain this every time I talk to somebody, very frustrating because like it gets too big. And any marketing company we've ever talked to has been like, we don't know how to condense this. There's no niche here. We work with people who have severe depression, anxiety, addiction, PTSD. We work with soldiers, we work with people who have been through extremely abusive childhoods, we've helped people through suicide, we help people through molestation and rape and abuse and neglect and abandonment and bipolar disorders and anxiety medications and all of their things that they're stuck, people are so stuck in hell. And they're working through radical pain and trauma and grief and things that are really messing their life up and they don't know how to get out. And we show them the way. But not only do we show them, we teach them how to do it so they can show someone else the way too.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

And we don't do therapy here, we actually train people, we teach them how to do it. Even with the depression training that we've done, in two days I've gotten now. We've done 60 case studies, and in two days out of depression. And now they can teach it. Now you can help your kids, now you can help your people. That's what I do. How did I get here and why do I do that? That goes into purpose, and that goes into another story. So we had an old company just a mile a day. And while we were doing that, we saw a behavior that really caught my attention. And I started to really watch. I started to really watch people doing the yo-yo. They would lose weight, gain weight, lose weight, gain weight, lose weight, gain weight. And I started getting really interested in like what is going on here? There's a pattern happening, and I started studying psychology. I started studying behavior. I started studying why are people doing this? And I started getting into stoicism, started getting into other elements, and started working on parts that I found was working. And I tried to help people through their mindset. Now, of course, I was really early on, did not know what I was doing. And I thought I was really helping people by giving them a stoic philosophy on everything is a choice. And so we wrote that book. And everything is a choice, helping people to recognize that the free will element of how you handle things is the thing you have in total control of. This has been around for a long time. I just wrote my version and my stories through it. But the yo-yo effect still happened within that too, especially we worked with women for the first groups, and all of the women did the yo-yo effect. They would do really well when we worked with them. And then as soon as the program was over or the class was over, they went right back to their old behavior. And I was like, What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? Then I started working with men, and the way that I was teaching men seemed to work.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

The guys would get it, they would immediately apply it, and then it would keep, they just kept going.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

So I said, hmm, maybe it's just the way that I teach, but the way I teach seems to work well with the guys. The guys just seem to get my style more.

SPEAKER_03 8:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

And so I shifted over to just working with men. And as I was working with men, we just kept cracking thing after thing after thing together. We would take it as far as we can get it, and then we would read all the experts and then go further. We would go, how do we improve it? And I think that the people that we would read, whether it be uh, you know, Carl Jung or Peter Nietzsche or even philosophers and stoic kings like Marcus Aurelius or Epictetus or we get into Socrates or Aristotle, you start looking at all these different things. And what would they do if they were still alive? Well, they'd probably keep going. You know, and so there's people who I would just study and they'd probably keep going if they could keep going. And so we go, let's go further. We figured out how to beat these things, and we got some of the pieces down. Doubt we had figured out. And then we figured out uh fear and we started figuring out those things. But still, it was missing elements. It was good and it was helping guys. It was good. Yeah, but it was missing pieces. And we started going through this element of uh, I knew it was a lot of mind and a lot of body. And that time we were working out a lot and we were doing a lot of action mixed with tactical understanding, which was good. But then I started realizing that all of the issues that we all still had, and the issues that I still had, I had them all compartmentalized. I had them all dial, like it's all all um labeled. They were all put in their respective little Tupperware bends in my mind. Everything was diagnosed correctly. This is my abandonment, this is the abuse for this, this is the uh neglect from here, this is the isolation I put myself through. This is when I did a defense mechanism to shut down. I knew all of the things. I have them all like organized. I'm like, got them. But they were still there. And I'm like, what am I missing here? I did what all the books said, I did what all the experts said, I did all of the things. I did all the stuff that it would look like for coaching or therapy or uh, you know, cognitive behavioral stuff or um anything from neurolinguistics. I'm learning all these things, but they're still there. Like I couldn't just get rid of them. And then in the middle of the night, I was laying next to your fine ass, and uh you were still lightly snoring next to me, and I was in the middle of uh just sitting awake, and I just remember just going, you know what? God, I surrender. I don't know what I'm missing. I don't know what I'm missing. And at that point, I would read the Bible only to fuck people up with the Bible because I didn't believe in that. Um, and so I would read the Bible and then I'd go, well, here's why the Bible's wrong, and here's the argument that most people who were um, you know, agnostic would probably have or pull in a different direction. Like, I maybe there's something, but I don't believe it's your way. And at this point, I didn't understand it, and I never connected with it because I was closed off and I opened up completely, and I just said, I don't understand it, I don't get it, and I surrender. I said, God, if there's a thing that's supposed to happen, I've got this mountain of organized pain, and I don't know what to do with it. I've done everything that it says to do, and it's still there. And again, like the way when people work with God or work through God works through you, it's not necessarily like a burning bush moment where the walls start to shake and the TV catches on fire, but not real fire. There's, you know, magic fire, and then you know, God speaks through the the burning TV. Nothing like that happened, but I did get a voice like in in my head, like it's almost like a the information came in, even though it wasn't audible. There was information coming in, and the information was give me your mountain, because it's less than a grain of sand to me. And I said, Okay, yeah, take my mountain. And uh it really did feel, I was like, oh I could feel it like pull off of me, and it was you know, over 30 years a pain. And I could feel it come off of me like a like a grown man stepped off of my chest, like someone was standing on me, and I could just I felt it just come off of me, and I could not believe I could not believe that that worked.

SPEAKER_03 12:17

It's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Like I couldn't believe it worked. I remember sitting there next to you having this ridiculous breakthrough, going, what the fuck just happened? Like that can't be the answer. Like the answer was I gave it to God, and then if all that stuff that I was reading and studying and doing the science on, it was give it to God. And from that point, he said, Now that you know how to give me your mountains, now go and gather the mountains of pain from others and bring them to me. That's uh, I remember you and I talking about this. This uh it's a it's more like doing an emotional trauma garbage man. Like I gotta take the the garbage and pain and suffering and misery and and just just the traumatic stuff that people have gone through because they've run into just pure malevolence, like evil. They run into dark things, and I take that upon myself, and then I gather the mountains of pain from others, and then I give it to God. I have to give it to God, and you know, like I have to like I have to have at least that's but how do I look or feel after I get out of there? Free every time because I can't carry everyone's pain, it's too much way too much. So my purpose has been to go into the hell that people are in on purpose because the way we grew up was so hard. I know where they're at, and the pain that I had to suffer and hold on to now turns into the compass to find where they're at so I can show them the way out. But first I have to get some of the weight off of them. I'll take some of their weight and then give it to God so they can see that the way they get rid of it is you take the weight and give it to God. And so I lead by example so they can do it too, because everybody who has a soul can do this. And that should be everybody.

SPEAKER_03 14:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

And that means if I show you it can be done, now you can believe it's possible. If you have faith and belief that it's possible, then it is and it becomes real. And once they realize they can do it too, then they start recognizing the relationship and power of connection to the creator. And once you can connect to that, say a mountain, it'll move. And you can now move mountains.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:57

And if you believe I don't need to carry this, I'm going to give it up. I'm going to give up. Because spirit side, heart side is give up. Then you can do it too. And that's a very spirit-side thing. After that, then I had to learn how to open my heart. And in there, that's where we do inner child stuff, and that's where you go into the uh wounded romantics and the part of you that wanted to love but was not treated well or didn't know what you were doing. And so I had to heal my heart. And then once I started working on all four elements mind, heart, body, spirit, then I was able to really help people out of no matter what area in hell they were stuck. I could come and get them, teach them the tools that they need to get out, and then show them how to get out.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

And it's been working over and over, and we've got now thousands of guys that we've helped. And uh it's it's been working over and over again, changing lives, saving lives, guys who every every week there's someone going, I'd I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for learning this.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Often I hear it often. Um, every day when I sit next to you, or when I'm able to sit next to you, and I hear these stories, it's always so inspiring. And and and also what some of my favorite things that I see is when I can see a guy that first comes in and you see how tough they are, or if you're taking a one-off call, right? Because a guy is in serious desperation and sometimes suicidal, and I get am able to witness that conversation, the first conversation, and then see them literally a week later. And it's like looking at a different human being, and that is so beautiful. And you just see the lightness of these men that just almost exactly what you said, the way that you felt was like this weight is off of me. And that's just one week of them just getting a different perspective. And I and I we were just talking about this earlier today. You are so you are literally an expert and a master of belief systems, and your perspective that you give people is unlike anything I've ever seen. You can you have I feel like it's daily, you can change someone's, you're you're changing people's lives literally. I'm not even being, I'm not even exaggerating. You change people's lives just by showing them a different way to look at it because most people are just stuck in what they know and what they've experienced. Um, and so it's very easy for them to get stuck, but you can say just a couple sentences and it blows people's minds. And and you're like I said, you're you're an absolute like expert and master at what you do, and you give so many men so much hope. And in the women's side too, you know, when you talk, they listen, you know, you give them so much hope. And it's so beautiful to be able to see this pain that you've carried that you had to go through and be able to now use that as your purpose to help other people do the same thing, and it's happening every single day. And now you have a community of men, and now you have the men that are stepping up that said, How now how can I give back? What you did for me was so like I honor that so much. Now I want to do something more. How can I help people? And it's it's such a beautiful thing, and I know you've talked about it before. Community wasn't really what you were set out to, what you were trying to do. And because you were helping so many people, guys just stuck around, which is so awesome. And it just shows how much community is lacking in our world and the women's side too, and the men's side as well. People want connection, but people want real connection, they want growth to feel like they're moving forward. And it's it's such a beautiful thing that you're doing with your guys. And I know I've said it a million times, but it really is. I couldn't be more proud of you and just your growth alone. And there's so many fake people out there. And the thing that I love about you the most is that you never tell your guys to do something you won't do. And when your guys are, you know, when you guys are training online, and we have had people over here, they're getting the same exact person. Like you are who you are training as you are in real life, and you don't train anything that you don't do, and you're it's it that also is inspiring because so many people are very quick to give advice on things that they don't do. Um, tell people how they should and shouldn't be, but don't do it themselves. And there's so many contradictories with that, and that's not something that you have. You're so consistent, and I thank you for your consistency just with our family. Um, because it's it's it's not easy, and uh it's it's very inspiring. It's honestly you doing what you do inspired me to do now, the women's side, and I I'm just loving it. So um thank you for sharing that.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

I think thank you for sharing that. That was beautiful, babe.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

Was it?

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Yeah, yeah. I mean it.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Well, I can see your heart was just pouring out.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Yeah, because I'm not gonna cry.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Oh, don't cry. No, I really I really appreciate you. That was really like, thank you, babe. Like, I love you for that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 20:13

Love you more.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

Yes, I do.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

No, you fucking don't.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Yeah, it's uh yeah, I I I do mean it because it it's not I knew it.

unknown 20:26

Damn it.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

I always say damn it when I'm about to cry. I don't know where that comes from. Um we do that too. People listening to this are probably like, oh gosh, something's wrong with my radio. No, I just wasn't talking because I'm trying to hold back the tears.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

I don't like I don't know if they're on a radio.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

Okay. Yeah, probably not F M A M radio.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

What you do is so powerful. And I know you have a lot of guys in the group, and uh I'm positive that you'll continue to grow just because of the work you do. And your purpose is the thing about purpose and finding your purpose is never to self-serve, it's always to help other people. And I think you're also such a good example of that. But um if people really understood how your group works, I've never seen anything like it. And I know I've said that time and time again. There's nothing like the support that your group has. There is nothing, and you're a business owner, um, of course, right? You run this business, but you are the most giving business owner and selfless business owner I've ever seen. Because you give away programs sometimes, often you do your skin in the game, guys. Like you just told a guy today, he was like, I'm having a hard time. I can't, I can't even pay my rent right now. I'm struggling. He's like, but I don't want to lose this community. I'm having a hard time. And you're like, what do you need? Just ask for what you need. He's like, I need a couple months. Just can I be here? And you're like, dude, fine. Totally fine. Like, you don't even think twice. You have another guy that couldn't pay his rent and going through a hard time, and all your guys got together and helped pay. Like things like this in your community, I think is a reason why the community became what it became. I don't know it wasn't always like that, but it's become that and it's continued to grow. And I think it's it's definitely because of your leadership, because you lead by example and being the giver and a selfless leader is so awesome to see. But I I think that I wish more people. And I I think I shouldn't even say wish, I know more people will be able to experience what you and your guys do. Um just because it's it's working and it's changing people's lives and it's changing families' lives, and yeah, I'll leave it at that. But it's it's super inspiring. You know that, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

I'm a little too humble.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

It's inspiring.

SPEAKER_00 23:15

Thank you, babe. No, and I think I get really excited watching everybody else realize their potential too.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

You do.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Yeah, I get it. I get more excited over that. I'm I'm I'm really not the I'm not that great at r receiving compliments. I I do naturally just flip it back.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

You do, but you you may not like the compliments, but you It's not that I don't like the compliments.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

I'm not good at receiving it and just like, yes, tell me about you're not like that.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

But I think it's important for you to be seen for who you are and what you do. That's different.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Yeah, and I appreciate that. No, I do appreciate that. Again, that's the only reason why I want to be known is so that when I talk to somebody, they don't go, so what do you do?

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

I'm like, oh God, here we go. Because all the stuff we've been talking about for the last 20 minutes, I'm like, okay, where where do we begin to have this 20-minute conversation? And so that's why it makes me so happy when people interact and go, Oh, I see what you're doing. Yeah. And then they ask great questions and we create great growth and connection. Yeah. Um, but if they're like, So what do you do again? And I'm like, all right.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

You almost want to say, are you asking because you really care? Because I have a little bit to share here, or do you not really care? And we can just move on because that's okay too.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Just trying to measure up against me. See if you're better than me, just let me know. Uh, in which case I'm a janitor. You're better than me, you win. Not to say janitors are super necessary. So, like, is it? They absolutely are. It's just people judge.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Sometimes I wish I had a janitor in this house.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Fair enough. No, that's it's not an insult. It's just uh people would look down on certain positions, and so it's so silly. It's just judgment, but I'm just uh just making fun of people who have to do comparison to make themselves feel better, and that's perhaps a judgment itself. Yeah. Any case, I appreciate you. Yeah, and thank you. And like, um I'm a big proponent on people being able to remember that they have a dreamer they need to turn back on again.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

You're very good at that.

SPEAKER_00 25:18

And I'm like, you your dreamer got turned off. We gotta turn your dreamer back on. Yeah, you know, and I help people all the time. I I work with your dreams. I and we have so many guys who we like, dude, let's turn your dreamer back on. Yeah. And you know, like, I can do this. Yeah, is a real thing. We have to keep saying, like, you know, you can do that, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

You're like, what? No, I I I have to I have to do this because that's all I've ever done. I'm like, you did that to pay the bills, but that's not what you're made to do. You do know you can do this, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

And um, we've helped a lot of guys really go, like, you know what, I need to believe in myself and I need to get going. And it's actually remarkable how many guys, it doesn't matter the age, how many guys come in and they see me as more of a father figure, not that their dad, but like uh there's a rite of passage for men where we have to outgrow the father. It's a rite of passage to look at your father at some point and go, You taught me enough that I think I know more than you about this. And you may really do this. I've gone further. Like, you know, if you're training with a martial arts sensei, and then finally you can get the sensei tapped out. You're like, you are ready, you are ready for the tournament, like you have passed the master. And uh there's an element of um of that rite of passage that I can create for men by being able to have them train with me, and they'll see me as their sensei. And then I can train them to some of them didn't have a father that they could pass, or some of them, you know, maybe their dad was never really setting the bar very high, or maybe their father, you know, didn't exist. Like they left when they were young or died, or something happened, and they never got to go through that experience. And so I can simulate that rite of passage for these guys, and it doesn't matter how old they are, they could be 50 or 60 and still do this. And so we give them the training to become the great leaders or the great dreamer that they were meant to be. And there's something powerful in the ability to inspire people to dream again and fight, just fight for it. Yeah, it's not gonna be easy and it's not meant to be. Anything worth doing is gonna be uh purposeful because it was difficult. And the most proud anybody's ever been of themselves is when they've done something difficult.

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 27:30

That was so hard. It took me two years to do that, and I did it. Yeah, like how do you feel? I feel so proud of myself. That was so hard to do. And like, well, let's do some difficult things together and teaching the men that men are taught today that we're supposed to do it all alone. You have to be all alone, you have to be all alone. You just gotta be this lone wolf. And we found out that lone wolves go hungry, but the pack always eats. And so gathering of alphas and gathering of men, that's a team sport, and it's very difficult to mess with a Delta team or a SEAL team or the full football team or rugby team or the whole team. You mess with the whole team, hard to mess with the team of Spartans, you know, put a shield wall together, go ahead and phalanx. Absolutely, and you'll see that's very difficult to deal with.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

And that's what we have learned with our men is we all have different strengths and different abilities, and to get them to believe in themselves again. Yeah, it's powerful.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

It is it is powerful. A lot of people have never had anyone believe in them. And I know you were talking to a guy today, and this was I I love this moment. Um, you said to him, because he was not believing in himself, and you're like, okay, this is what we're gonna do. And I don't not word for word, but you said, I'm gonna let you borrow my belief system in you until your beliefs belief system basically turns on for yourself. And I love that you did that because you believed in him and you believe in most people before they really believe in themselves. But I love the way that you worded that because he was like, you could see this little smirk, like I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

I can do that.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

I can do that. Okay, I'll take your belief system and I I can that's definitely something I can do. The other thing I wanted to talk about too, that comes up often. Um, anytime that I I'm with you before one of your men's calls, um this happens often. Um, whether it's me saying this, usually it's when I when I'm coming and saying something. Um, so like I remember, I think it was a couple weeks ago, I asked a guy, I asked a guy, like, what is it that you need? And um from a woman's point of view, right? Asking a guy, what do you need? He's literally was like, I've never been asked that before. When I've said as a woman to a guy, um, I'm proud of you, I see you, like I believe in you, right? Um and also show encouragement to men from a woman's point of view. There's so many men that say, There's never anyone that's ever said those things to me. And I don't think that's something that as women we really have. We usually surround ourselves with people that women are typically more agreeable and they'll be encouraging. They can also do shitty things too on both sides, but I see the consistency consistency happening with your men that say the same thing over and over and over. I've never had anyone believe in me, I've never had anyone say they've they're proud of me. And um I just wanted to bring that up because I think it's um, I don't know if people are of as aware of that as I wasn't. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. Even we do the videos when I'm I'm praising you and how proud I am of you. The comments are like, I've never had anyone say that for like about me, all from men. And I don't think we've had any women that have agreed, like, I've also haven't experienced that. Why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_00 30:57

You asked me why do I think people aren't told that people believe in them and why they're not proud of them?

SPEAKER_01 31:03

Men in general, especially from women, women to men.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

I'm trying not to go too like full psychology on this one. Because like studies have shown how boys are treated differently even from birth. Yeah. Um, girls are uh girls don't get left to cry as long as even baby boys do. Uh, you know, if a boy falls down, it's like get back up, bud. But if a girl falls down, it's like, oh my poor little baby. Um we're we're just naturally treat boys and girls differently. You know, it's a it's just a it's just a something I think built into us, and I think it's built all the way through any social dynamic, whether it be how to treat a baby or a little boy or a girl growing up, all the way into how we start learning social systems in our teenage years of what it's like to bully or be bullied and create friendships and trust and how betrayal works and all the things we have to learn with love and independence. With there's an evolution to all these elements of just societal and social situations that I think boys are just treated just harder, and especially during the teenage years, that's what boys don't realize like we transition from being just okay being a kid into being like now you have to start bringing a value to the table. And we don't learn this until we get our hearts broken by some girl who never knew either.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Because they're measuring us off of the potential of what we could provide, and we're just hoping they just love us for who we are.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

But that doesn't happen in our teenage years. We learn that we're love for what we provide, not who we are. Well, with that being said, that would mean there's a subconscious element of as a provider or a protector or a presider, like a leadership type, that there's expectation that is um unit's not agreed upon expectations. So women will expect things from guys that they may not have agreed on. He's got to pay for everything, protect me, take care of my things, keep me safe and secure in all areas. Um, make sure that uh I if I need something, he's got me and all these different things. And these young guys are like, so what's that mean? Like, and the girls will be like, money. Okay, I guess I'll get good at money, and then I got guys who are good at money, and then they're still not good enough.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Well, he didn't take care of my emotions, and he doesn't validate me or whatever shenanigans is being sold today. And so guys are still going to be subconsciously seen as a leadership type, even if they aren't treated like a leader, they're still treated like a leader as far as empathy or expectation goes. Us boys growing up don't realize this shift just fucking happened. We just get treated like shit.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

And just expected to somehow know how to do these things that aren't being taught. Like somehow I'm supposed to understand good leadership without anybody teaching me how to lead. And I didn't have good leadership, so how do I do it? Yeah. And I'm supposed to be emotionally safe for somebody, but I've never felt that in my whole fucking life. So I don't even know how to do that. No one's ever done that for me, and yet I'm expected to be an expert. And spiritually safe, the only time I ever got to see somebody try and tell me if I'm right or wrong is they would take this book and they would fucking hit it with me, like just bash me with the book and go, you're not doing it right. You're not good enough. God doesn't love you. And you're like, Thanks a lot for that fucking beating. And I'm supposed to be spiritually safe for you.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Awesome. And then uh the physical element of it, I wasn't ever physically safe. No one's ever making sure I'm safe. So the only safety security I ever had was me being just fucking over the top and aggressive and fighting. And the only time I ever felt safe is if I made myself safe. Nobody's looking out for me except for my friends. And so, and even still, that became a coin toss on certain people who like they'll have your back one second and not have your back the next. So you only have a handful of a few people that you can really rely on in that category. So safety security became just your friend group, a small group, and then just whatever you provided, but never came from women. So I'm supposed to just be expected to know how to do that for them, never seen it done before. Yeah, you know, and so there's that element of it. And then mentally being safe, being able to listen to lies and not react, being able to listen to people and disagree without being angry or upset, like being able to be stoic in the face of ridiculous manipulations and behaviors. And I'm supposed to just know how to do this. And then I'm supposed to also be financially very successful. And I've never had anybody who was a successful and finance person who would guide me, walk through me, and teach me and show me how it's done. I would watch videos, or in this case, I would go to uh seminars and events when I was a young man. I would go to things that were like the Amway or Quickstar events, and I would learn from guys who were doing well and they had book clubs and be reading the books and ingesting information, but no real direct successful mentor. And starting a new business is terrifying and risky, but I didn't have anybody to walk me through that. And yet somehow I'm supposed to be financially amazing. Note, I'm still judged by my potential of what I can provide. And no one ever taught me in all five of those categories how to do it.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:18

And yet the expectation is still unrealistically, you can never be flawed. And if you ever get sick, we're just gonna go into uh some self-preservation or abandonment or not abandonment rejection. We're just gonna leave you. You'll just be left if it's not done right.

SPEAKER_01 36:33

I wonder why that's the expectation when in reality, I where are we getting that information from? Where are we even getting that example that the guy should just take care of everything? Like, because even when you think of growing up, right? Our parents, most of the parents that we have, don't also have it together. They may perceive that they do, but they probably don't. So where's where's that example coming from? Society, social media, probably. Well, but even I'm I'm trying to think, like, where do I even see that? Where where are these things getting made up from?

SPEAKER_00 37:10

The idea worked for a minute. And it it it actually came from industrial revolution shit. So this is a lot less exciting. Yeah. But it came around the industrial revolution when they started to have factories that could create more and I need less workers and I could create more wealth by creating more product that I don't need to have as many people work for it. Yeah. And so now one guy can do the work of a thousand people because now they have a factory machine that can do it. And that guy now generated enough wealth that his wife didn't have to work. But before that, women always worked. Yes, women worked. It didn't matter if it was the farm or they had a skill or they would sell clothes or they would fix things or work together, picking berries, cleaning food, feeding the village. Women always work, they're very useful.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

Until the Industrial Revolution, and now we can do this princess behavior of like, oh no, she doesn't have to work anymore. And back then, though, the daily just house chores that a mother would do were difficult.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

You know, there was no washing machine. Yeah, there, yeah, the stove was even dangerous. I've heard of people who died from like they had a wood-burning stove and their dress would catch on fire. That that's how my great grandma died, or whatever, like from the stove killed them.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

You know, and so it was dangerous back then. Food had to be gathered, the chicken had to be killed and plucked, and then you know, they had to prepare the food. It was difficult work. And so being the mom then, washing clothes is going to like the river, washboard and then washboarding it, and then you have to hang them all on the thing. And it was a lot of work to be done. It was very honorable and very noble work. So being a stay-at-home mom was still working your ass off.

SPEAKER_03 38:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

You know, and so during that time is when the expectation of like, well, the guys do this and the women do that. As soon as the women could just stay home, it made it so there's a very different energy around what is the, you know, the leave it to beaver mom, you know, what is the stay-at-home 1940s, 1950s mother look like, the 1950s or even 60s mother. And that tradition worked for a little bit. It did work for a little bit. And then we came on to the idea of a feminist movement for equality. And that 70s movement, you know, actually was a very healthy movement. It like there was a point where there was uh unfair regulation against women, and women weren't treated fairly or equally. So fair enough. Let's go ahead and equal out some of the say and treat them like adult human beings. Yeah. Sounds good. That started getting a little out of control, and then the expectations of the father supposed to be the guy who owns the factory and has all the money coming in, so everybody doesn't have to work for it. Well, that started changing quite dramatically. And then society started changing a lot. Finances changed a lot, and it started shifting into well, women want it equal. Now you can work too, start working and now be the primary breadwinner. And then when women now have the option to be primary breadwinners, now it starts shifting power dynamics because they use money as the reference of power. But then you start seeing who someone is when they're in control, and it gets really fucked up from there. Because now, if you're the boss, how do you treat people? And if you want to see who someone is, you give them authority, yeah, and you'll see what they do with it. And it turns out um they're not nice, not kind. Correct. So they didn't like being oppressed, but now that you can oppress, you can't wait to do it back. That's a very interesting behavior because that was given. You didn't force it. Yeah, it was given, and that's a very interesting thing to watch as somebody who, as soon as I have the upper hand, I'm gonna abuse the shit out of it. But I hated being abused by it.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

Fascinating. So, anyways, that's my Rick rant of how the hell did this get here?

SPEAKER_03 40:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:38

That's how it got here, and uh, that's where then now it turns into all of the expectations of the guy who could provide and do everything. Well, we're not in that time anymore, but there's still an energy around it that he's still supposed to do that, even though it's not set up for the guy to do that.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 40:54

That means he's set up to fail in every single way. Good men are now emasculated, pushed down, and told to shut the fuck up. Yeah, these young boys are taught by women how to handle things, which means they handle things like women, which then gets them bullied by both men and women and unloved. The nice guys lose only. And the guys who are trained by women always lose. Yeah, never win. There are no winning nice guys. They all lose. It's a losing battle. And we've got thousands of nice guys. Yeah, all of them lost. None of them win. No winning nice guys, zero wins. They're trained by women to have absolute failure, and it's heartbreaking. Yeah. Yet still expected to maintain in high integrity mind, heart, body, spirit, finances perfectly. He's got to have all of this stuff done. No teachers, no healthy men, no healthy dad, radical expectation from all this time of how men are supposed to be, and yet taught by women to stay less than, so that way they can be controlled. And men are supposed to somehow be these leaders are supposed to. Well, they aren't taught that. And the reason I say this is because they get no empathy.

SPEAKER_03 42:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

Women don't give these guys empathy, no empathy at all, none, zero empathy. Isn't it interesting that leaders don't get empathy and men don't get empathy? Because a leader, if a leader's, if I'm running an organization and then I fuck up payroll, they're not gonna go, Rick, payroll's fucked up. I can't feed my kids this week. What's going on with your heart, bud? Are you okay? Yeah. Are you good? Are you all right?

unknown 42:31

No.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

No, they're not gonna ask the leader that go, Frank, give me my fucking paycheck or I'll kick your fucking ass. He's like, I don't want to not pay you. I wish it didn't mess up either. But they're not checking on Frank. They're going to fuck Frank up. Yeah. Frank's like stressing out because he's like, I want to pay my guys, but I can't because the payroll's goofed up and I don't like this. And what do I do? And there they're not going, like, we got to check in on Frank. They're going, I'm gonna fuck Frank up if he doesn't get his payroll right. And Frank doesn't like it not right. And so radical amount of stress, zero empathy for the leader.

SPEAKER_03 43:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

Right? If the coach messes up, they don't go like, hey coach, it's okay. You know, how's your heart today? Are you okay? They go, You're a fucking loser, coach. You didn't coach right. Your team sucks, you suck.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

People don't give leaders empathy, they make any mistakes. It's radically exploited.

SPEAKER_03 43:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

Well, when a woman messes up, people go like, oh man, how are you? Are you working through it? Are you okay? That's that's so hard. That must be hard. But when a guy fucks up, they're like, get it right. There's no, how's your heart today? How are you doing? Which makes me believe that these guys are still held to the standard of leadership without any training on how to be one.

SPEAKER_01 43:40

Yeah. Agreed.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Set up to fail radically.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:44

100% failure. And what I just described for the last 20 minutes is the fail system that was created with good intention, but it's a 100% fail system. And so we have to teach the guys to be disruptive, autonomous, dream.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Um not agreeable.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Yeah, break away from conformity and learn how to do the American dream of start your own thing and build your dream.

SPEAKER_03 44:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

And today's society is uh it's really set for a single-digit mindset for people to do that. And so we're gonna build as many single-digit mindset people as we can to help them be able to build a dream, find purpose. You know, and it's very difficult. It's very difficult without guidance, without training, without teachers. Very tough to do.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

Yeah. I just wrote something down here that was kind of like an aha moment for me. Um because women that like the nice guys, the nice guys become agreeable, which met which women like, right? Because women to women were usually agreeable with each other. But then when a guy is agreeable with the women, then they start treating them like shit.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

When the guy is agreeable with the women, they start treating them as shit.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

I shouldn't say agreeable, when they start doing the things that they want them to do, they start losing respect for the guy. When there's no boundaries, we're like, okay, yes, honey, I'll I'll do this and I'll do this. And I hear you, and they are anytime a woman says something, they're like, How can I get that for you? And oh, yeah, let me just do this. Women are so used to agreeableness, it makes sense why nice guys don't win because they're it's a agreeable behavior.

SPEAKER_00 45:30

Well, nice guys don't win. Right. Because if I'm always being agreeable, it means I don't have an authentic opinion.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 45:37

But women But if I don't if I don't have an authentic opinion, yeah, you catch me as a liar.

SPEAKER_01 45:42

Right, correct.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

And so that's why the nice guys lose is because they'll compromise their authenticity for your feelings.

SPEAKER_01 45:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

And that means I'll be whatever you want me to be, so that way you stay with me or you give me what I want.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:54

That's manipulation. Right. And as soon as the guys get caught doing it, the women will get mad because that's their move.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

Exactly. We've talked about that before. And it's uh yeah, it's agreeableness. Women are not, especially when it comes from a guy, when they're agreeable to everything, that is the wrong trick. And so when a guy starts doing that, it messes up the dynamic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

The big thing with that is because women, this is where I was watching this too, and I think Allison Anderson was talking about this too, where they notice that women do the direct reciprocity. And what that means is like when women are hanging out with other women, you know, there's the playhouse or the tea party element of an egalitarian hangout, which means there is no leader. We're all just hanging out, we're all just sharing. And so then they'll have a thing where they're like, Well, I shared for 15 minutes, and now you share for 15 minutes, and now I listen to you for 20 minutes, so now you listen to me for 20 minutes. And it's a transactional reciprocity of like, now that I've done this for you, now you do this for me. And now that I gave you two, now you give me two, and then we'll give you one, and then you can have one too. And it's a direct reciprocity, something that instantaneously is some sort of a transaction of showing uh togetherness or sharing or connection, right? Well, guys don't do that, and so when these nice guys are trained to do it that way, instead of like finding something that's useful or purposeful or going, hey, I'll take that or I'll win that, or that's where guys will start going into more of a hierarchy system, like captains and coaches and leaders and bosses and all that stuff. The women have more of the social element of it. Well, when a guy grows up without the concept of authentic hierarchy of like be a good guy, do the right thing, fight for what's right, and he grows up with agreeableness and uh some sort of a transactional uh reciprocity of like, hey, so I paid your rent, so now you owe me sex. Or hey, I vacuumed your floor, so now you have to be my girlfriend, or hey, I cleaned your room, and so now you have to rub my back. Like something where there's always like a some sort of trade for trade. And at first, and this is the the Skinner effect, the pigeon box effect, where um it's a it's a weird kind of system, a weird reward system that nice guys will do, where they'll do this constant rewarding. Like, I'll do this for you, I'll do it for you, I'll do it for you, I'll do it because I just love to do it. I'm doing it because I just want you happy, I'll do it because I just want you to feel good. And women know that this is a trick. You know, you're just trying to buy me. You're trying to buy me. So these guys get friend zoned and they sit in the friend zone patiently, just being the best buddy in the whole world to you, just wishing that you would just go. I recognize you're the best guy, you're the nicest, you're the sweetest guy in the world. But really, they know you're tricking.

SPEAKER_03 48:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

I know you're tricking me. And they'll leave these guys there because they like having somebody around who secretly loves them. It's an intention thing, it'll still sit there. Now, this is why it gets sucky, is because they think they're being good, but they're really just lying to their face the entire time. And um, they can't win with that system. It's a hundred percent lose system. I'm I'm I know I got a little off track there, but I'm just like, damn, these nice guys are just trained by women to only lose, they're using the reciprocity system, a tit for tat. So, anyways, the Skinnerbox thing is if I reward, reward, reward, reward, reward, eventually it turns into like now I've trained you that you get a reward system, and now at some point it turns into resentment.

SPEAKER_03 49:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Now you owe me. Do you see how much I've done for you? Um, the type two personality on the Instagram is pretty hard on that one.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Reading my mind. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:50

So like I know that the uh the helper types will be like, I helped, I helped, I helped, and now, like, why aren't you doing what I want you to do after all I've done for you? And those are covert contracts, and that's where uh the nice guy guaranteed loss because now not only did I do things transactionally to expecting direct reciprocation, but I also am holding resentment for you not doing it, even though we never agreed upon it. So now, like, you should be my girlfriend by now. I've done all these things for you.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

She's like, I never agreed to be your girlfriend. You were just doing all this stuff because you're trying to buy me. It's like, well, did I do enough yet to buy you? It's like, no, but now I'm supposed to feel guilty because you didn't purchase me even though I didn't want to be purchased. It's a fucking trick. It's a scam.

SPEAKER_03 50:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:38

And as soon as these guys get the girl, then they don't know what to do. They're like a dog that caught a car. Now they're like, I caught it, and like I don't know what to do with it. And then they just get real complacent, and the women get nothing shy of resentful because these guys had this wicked sales pitch to try to get them like, I'm gonna be the best man in the universe for you. And then you get her and don't know what to fucking do. You just follow her around and think you're somehow gonna be called the leader. House starts going into turmoil, kids are all on medication, you start going into depression or alcohol, and the guy starts falling the fuck apart, and the women hate him for it. And just as the leader doesn't get empathy, she gets mean and bitter and spiteful because he's taken the best years of her fucking life because he didn't know what the fuck to do if he was to get a good one. And he was never trained to. No good men around.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

So yeah, that's probably that's a big part of it. Yeah. That's a big part of it. Nice guys only lose. Yeah. Heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_02 51:33

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

I'm very Rick Ranty today. It's just us talking. So I guess it makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 51:40

Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_00 51:41

Yeah, try hanging out in this brain for a while. It's hard to watch these patterns though, and they're all patterns. It's not that I'm just being jaded or um mean. It's like it's a pattern, and it happens just so often that like people start thinking I'm a psychic or something. I'm like, I'm not a psychic. I'm just watching you do the same thing over and over again. You know, and you keep watching someone do the same behavior, and they really do think that you're like a you're some kind of wizard. Like, how did you know that? How did you know that? I'm like, that's what everybody's doing. Aren't you seeing that?

SPEAKER_01 52:17

Yeah, you're good at catching the patterns quickly, yeah, very quickly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

It's sad though. Sometimes it's sad to see all the lies.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

It's sad. It is sad. And and it's also people that believe they're doing their best, you know, and that's the other part too. They just don't know different. And I think that's what's sad about it. People just get aren't given the tools. We weren't given the tools to do better, you know, or show them differently, or have people that believe in them. It's that it's sad to me.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

Yeah. People deserve love.

SPEAKER_01 52:50

They do.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

They deserve love, and they were taught they have to trick or win or achieve, or be solidly strong or aggressive and mean, or be successful, or be anything except for themselves.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

And that's how you get love.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:08

And that's the exhausting.

SPEAKER_03 53:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:10

It's the opposite. That's the it's how you kill love.

SPEAKER_03 53:12

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

And it sucks. I think people have um they have a naturally good heart to them. It's just the the crazy belief systems that people will put on them really makes them forget what their soul's design is. And uh, yeah, we live lives of um complacency and conformity and emptiness, just hollow existences. And you just weren't built for that.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

No.

SPEAKER_00 53:38

You're built to be something absolutely incredible, something that manifests and builds and loves and creates and connects, and it we're built for something great. But if you're not in a community or around people who think that way, um, it's gonna be very hard for an eagle who thinks they're a chicken to believe that they can fly.

SPEAKER_01 53:58

100%.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

And most flying birds die believing that they're chickens because they listen to what all the chickens told them they're supposed to do. Now, with your big, stupid, ugly wingspan and your dumb, stupid vision that nobody understands, look down the ground, stay here, get in the pecking order, and shut the fuck up. It's like you're looking at some of these people as an eagle. You're like, dude, your wingspan's ridiculous. Like, yeah, they make fun of my wingspan. I'm just a weird-looking chicken. Like, you're not a chicken, dude. You got a radically huge wingspan. Who told you you were a chicken? Ever since I was born, they said I'm a chicken. I'm like, you're a condor. You have a fucking seven-foot wingspan. You're not a chicken, dude. Yeah. I don't know. Oh bother.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

So sometimes you just gotta get guys to have a little courage. Like, let's go ahead and jump off the barn and see what happens. Like, he's gonna die. I'm like, let's see. Just flip those wings a little bit. Yeah. They start gliding and like, oh, I could do it. And like, you always could. You were built for the sky.

SPEAKER_03 55:02

Just didn't see it.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

But there's no competition in the sky. 99% will stay on the ground.

SPEAKER_03 55:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

So I just hope that some people hear this and go, wait a second, these people kind of fucking get it. It's confusing. We go very fast, but at least they kind of get it. At least what they're doing is helping somebody.

SPEAKER_03 55:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:20

And I hope that someday, if somebody's just listening to this, which if you made it into this, we're an hour in of just our own hangout. So I honor if anybody's listened this far. Thank you. Like, thanks for hanging out with us.

SPEAKER_03 55:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

Like we appreciate you. I appreciate you just listening. And I'd love for you guys to be able to jump into our Discord group or jump into our areas and ask her questions or ask me questions. And we'd love to be able to share some time with you guys and go, what do you see? What do you see? What do you see? You don't have to agree with anything that we say, but it's very cool to challenge those ideas and go, hmm, what is your perspective?

SPEAKER_03 55:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:56

And then let me see if I could apply this to see more and have a higher awareness for the decisions I make in my life. I can make more authentic decisions, more solid and truthful interactions, deeply be forgiving, accepting, and understanding of other people while disagreeing completely. It's very healthy and very loving. And I think that our potentials are all so much higher than we're sold.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Let's go ahead and break out some of those limitations and get you guys growing like you're built to grow. So you want to get out of here, babe?

SPEAKER_01 56:33

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

I love you.

SPEAKER_01 56:35

Love you too. Oh, I love the shit out of you guys. Love you more.

SPEAKER_00 56:38

I hope you guys get the kind of love that we have. I fucking be one person. I'm gonna leave it with this. I still remember that lady when we were at the store, and she's looked at you and looked at me, and she said, You're so lucky. So you're so lucky to have a girl like her. Remember, I was like, Oh, I'm not lucky. We fucking we both were like, we had to work for this. We earned this. No, we fucking worked for it. Yeah. No, we earned this. And I hope that all of you earn a love that's anything close to what we've got because you guys will realize that love is probably the purpose for our existence. And not manipulation, control, or force of love, but full surrender, all in. That's my person, ride or die, love.

SPEAKER_03 57:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:23

And ladies, I hope you step the fuck up because this generation of women is really showing that our girls are like, thanks for showing us what not to do.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

And I think there's a lot of opportunity to go, like, okay, we gotta reset to what we're built for and not try and think we can do everything while we destroy everyone when we're not okay.

SPEAKER_01 57:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:40

Fucked up.

SPEAKER_01 57:41

You know what? I'll I'll share something personal that I I I just it's was so sweet today. Um we have a daughter, we have three. Um, one is 18, and she's in a relationship. Um, and he was coming to our place, which is pretty much his home at this point, but um he was coming over and he worked all day, literally left the house, I think this morning at 5:30, and it was five o'clock, and he was coming home. And she had said to me, I think he's had a I think he's had a hard day. And I'm like, what else is on the agenda tonight? She's like, we gotta do this and we gotta do this and gotta do this, but I know that he's gonna want to come home. He's gonna take a shower. So I didn't think anything of it. I was like, okay, sounds good. I go to the bathroom and I say clothes on the back of like the toilet, you know, and I was like, I wonder whose clothes those are. And so I looked and I was like, oh, they're his clothes. He wasn't home yet. So I went and found her and I was like, hey, did you put his clothes on the back of the toilet for him to get here and take a shower? She's like, yeah. And I was like, that I'm very great job looking out for your guy. Like at 18 years old, to be able to think about her guy and be like, I know he's had a hard day. I'm gonna help out, even just putting something simple as like, here's your clothes already. It's one less thing you have to worry about when you get home because you've had a hard day. That really made me happy. I was like, that really fills my heart of a toller. I'm like, I'm so proud of you. Like, that's such good looking out for your guy. So good.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

I wonder where she got that from.

SPEAKER_01 59:19

Listen, I didn't think she was paying attention to much, but she is really paid attention.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

That's how you are with everybody. She's paid attention. She watched, she watches us, and I had a good talk with her today too. I'm very proud of you.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

Did you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:31

And um very proud of both of them. And I spend time with him too. But uh, very proud of them and very proud of uh, I'd have to say I'm very proud of us because the only reason they're doing it like that is because that's what we do.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:43

And so we said we have to show him like, well, what's love mean? Yeah, it looks like that.

SPEAKER_01 59:47

I am just I am just so proud. So so proud of her. And uh she packs his lunch. Like it's just it's so cute to see it to her really step into um and just turning 18 to be doing these things. I'm like, She's doing awesome. Awesome. I'm couldn't be more proud of her.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:08

Yeah. That that boy does anything for her, though. He fixes everything. I I know paints her rooms and fixes her stuff and builds her things, and yeah, they take care of it, they take good care.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:17

They really do.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:18

They really do the same.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

Yeah. So I just wanted to share that. I thought that was really cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

All right, proud mama.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:24

All right, see you make me happy. Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

All right, baby, let's get out of here. Okay. All right. Any men who want to come and hang, join in the men's group. Warrior's way mindset. Uh just jump in, hang out with us. Um, we do live and open trainings on uh I do one Saturday morning. Just come in QA, ask questions, meet with me, ask whatever you want. And it's very cool to see if you want to train with us. Uh, we have different training programs, and depending on how fast you want to go, it's a little more investment because we put a lot of time into our people. So hopefully you're one of the people that we teach how to get out of hell so you can train your people to also stay the fuck out of there.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:03

We also have the women's side now, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:04

Oh, yeah, that place is pretty good. You're doing an awesome job there.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:07

It's it's new, but uh it's it's up and running and going very well. I'm very proud of my ladies. So very true. Shout out to my ladies. Okay. All right, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

Let's go.